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Tim Lingo 364ecff391 docs: design proposal — searchable, recency-aware conversation memory
Grounds the 'summarize my recent conversations returns nothing' issue: it's a
RETRIEVAL gap, not storage (conversations ARE persisted per-turn via auto_persist;
live engram has 59 conversation nodes). Proposes recency-windowed retrieval +
per-session threading + (roadmap) semantic search. No code — proposal for Tim + Will.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.8 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
2026-06-21 12:03:38 -05:00
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@@ -631,38 +631,12 @@ fn handle_chat_agentic(body: String) -> String {
return "{\"error\":\"message required\",\"reply\":\"\"}"
}
// Workspace scope (#23): the desktop UI sends the user-chosen Agent Workspace root
// on every agentic request. Persist it to state so agent_workspace_root() and the
// path/command tool guards that read it confine this turn's file/command tools to
// that subtree. The UI is the source of truth per request: empty means unscoped (the
// backward-compatible default), and it also lets agent_workspace_root() fall through
// to the NEURON_AGENT_ROOT env when no root is sent. FLAGGED FOR REVIEW: setting
// state from the body each turn (vs. only-when-nonempty) so clearing the folder in
// the UI un-scopes confirm this is the intended ownership model.
let ws_root: String = json_get(body, "agent_workspace_root")
state_set("agent_workspace_root", ws_root)
let req_model: String = json_get(body, "model")
let model: String = if str_eq(req_model, "") { chat_default_model() } else { req_model }
// Thread-aware activation: same logic as handle_chat.
// Use the session's or global history to anchor short messages to the thread.
let req_session: String = json_get(body, "session_id")
// ISSUE #6/#7: validate that the session_id actually exists before proceeding.
// Without this check the loop silently treats any unknown/fabricated session_id
// as a fresh session history loads as empty and no error is returned to the caller.
// Only validate when a session_id is explicitly provided; anonymous calls
// (no session_id) continue to work for backward compatibility.
let session_valid: Bool = if str_eq(req_session, "") {
true
} else {
session_exists(req_session)
}
if !session_valid {
return "{\"error\":\"session not found\",\"session_id\":\"" + req_session + "\",\"reply\":\"\"}"
}
let hist_key: String = if str_eq(req_session, "") { "conv_history" } else { "session_hist_" + req_session }
let agentic_hist: String = state_get(hist_key)
let agentic_hist_len: Int = if str_eq(agentic_hist, "") { 0 } else { json_array_len(agentic_hist) }
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@@ -0,0 +1,100 @@
# Design proposal: searchable, recency-aware conversation memory
Status: **proposal — for Tim + Will, no code yet**
Author: Neuron (Claude Opus 4.8), 2026-06-21
Trigger: "Summarize the key themes across my recent conversations" returns nothing useful.
---
## TL;DR
Conversations **are** being persisted — `auto_persist` writes every turn as a
timestamped `Conversation`/`Episodic` node. The failure is **retrieval**, not
storage. Two gaps:
1. **No recency-ordered retrieval.** There is no way to ask "give me my last N
conversation turns by time." Search is keyword-ranked only.
2. **Lexical-only search.** `search_memory``engram_search_json` is BM25/lexical.
A semantic/thematic query ("themes across recent conversations") doesn't share
keywords with the actual topic content, so it misses.
The model literally tried to express the missing capability in the fake tool call
it hallucinated: `"recency_weight": 0.8`, `"sort_by": "recency"`,
`node_type: "ConversationTurn"`. It wanted a recency-windowed conversation fetch
that doesn't exist.
## What exists today (verified)
- `auto_persist(req, resp)` (chat.el): after each non-agentic turn, stores
`{"q","a","created_at","source":"chat","label":"chat:<ts>"}` as
`engram_node_full(... "Conversation" ... "Episodic" ...)`, tags
`["Conversation","chat","timestamped"]`.
- `conv_history_persist` (chat.el): a **single overwriting** `conv:history`
Episodic node holding the rolling JSON history (continuity across restarts) —
not per-turn, not individually searchable.
- Live engram (founder instance): **5,113 nodes, 59 conversation nodes** — a mix
of `chat:<ts>`, several `conv:history` copies, and older `Q:/A:` nodes.
- Retrieval surface for the agentic loop: `search_memory`, `recall`,
`neuron_search_knowledge`, `neuron_recall` — all **query-keyword** based.
None is "most recent N by time," none is embedding/semantic.
## The gap, precisely
| User intent | Needs | Have today |
|---|---|---|
| "summarize my recent conversations" | last-N-by-time fetch | ✗ (keyword only) |
| "what did we discuss about X" | semantic match on topic | ~ (lexical only; misses paraphrase) |
| "themes across everything" | semantic cluster over corpus | ✗ |
`auto_persist` only fires on the **non-agentic** path (`handle_chat`). Worth
confirming the **agentic** path (`handle_chat_agentic`) persists turns too — if
not, agentic conversations never get stored, a second (smaller) gap.
## Proposal
Three layers, smallest-first. (1) alone fixes the headline use case.
### 1. Recency-windowed conversation retrieval (the high-value, low-cost win)
A runtime/engram primitive + an agentic tool:
- **Engram**: `engram_recent_by_type(node_type, limit, since_ts?)` → newest-first
by `created_at`. (Conversation nodes already carry `created_at`.)
- **Agentic tool**: `recent_conversations(limit=20, since?)`
`[{q,a,created_at}, …]`, newest first. Exposed in `agentic_tools_all`.
- **System-prompt hint**: for "recent / lately / this week / summarize our
conversations," prefer `recent_conversations` over `search_memory`.
This directly answers "summarize my recent conversations" — fetch last N, hand
the model the actual turns, let it cluster themes. No embeddings required.
### 2. Stable per-session threading
Today each turn is an independent `chat:<ts>` node; there's no session grouping.
Add `session_id` + a monotonic turn index to the persisted content (the UI already
sends `session_id`). Enables "summarize *this* conversation" and per-session recall,
and lets retrieval return coherent threads instead of loose turns.
### 3. Semantic retrieval (the real fix for thematic queries)
Lexical BM25 can't do "themes." Options, in order of effort:
- **a.** Embeddings on Conversation nodes + a vector search tool
(`semantic_search`). Biggest lift; also fixes knowledge recall broadly.
- **b.** Interim: a two-pass "map-reduce" — `recent_conversations` to pull the
window, then let the model cluster. Cheap, ships with (1), no infra.
Recommend **(1) + (2) now, (3b) as the interim thematic answer, (3a) as the
roadmap item** once embeddings land (this dovetails with the GraphRAG/embedding
work already noted in memory: substring 1.7% P@5 vs BM25 55% vs graph 21.7%).
## Open questions for Will
1. ~~Does the agentic path persist turns?~~ **Resolved: yes** — the dispatcher
calls `auto_persist` after both the agentic and non-agentic branches
(`routes.el` lines 156/298). Both paths store per-turn nodes.
2. `conv:history` is accumulating duplicate overwriting nodes (saw several in the
live engram) — intended, or should it truly overwrite/dedupe?
3. Is there appetite for the `engram_recent_by_type` primitive in the runtime, or
should recency be done in `.el` by scanning + sorting (fine at 59 nodes, weak
at scale)?
4. Embeddings (3a): on the roadmap timeline, or defer and ship (1)+(2)+(3b)?
## Not in scope
Persistence itself (it works), and the separate **confabulation** fix (model
faking tool calls in Just-chat mode) — that's `neuron` PR #29.
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@@ -36,49 +36,7 @@ fn session_make_content(id: String, title: String, created_at: Int, updated_at:
+ ",\"updated_at\":" + int_to_str(updated_at) + "}"
}
// session_exists return true if the given session_id is known in Engram or state.
// Used by chat.el to validate a session_id before processing a chat message.
// Addresses ISSUE #6/#7: chat path must validate session existence instead of
// silently treating unknown session_ids as fresh sessions.
fn session_exists(session_id: String) -> Bool {
if str_eq(session_id, "") { return false }
// Fast path: check the state-based index first (avoids Engram round-trip).
let idx: String = state_get("session_index")
if !str_eq(idx, "") && !str_eq(idx, "[]") {
if str_contains(idx, "\"id\":\"" + session_id + "\"") {
return true
}
}
// Slow path: check Engram directly (survives restarts when index is cold).
let results: String = engram_search_json("session:meta " + session_id, 5)
if str_eq(results, "") { return false }
if str_eq(results, "[]") { return false }
let total: Int = json_array_len(results)
let found: Bool = false
let i: Int = 0
while i < total {
let node: String = json_array_get(results, i)
let label: String = json_get(node, "label")
let content: String = json_get(node, "content")
let sid: String = json_get(content, "id")
let is_match: Bool = str_eq(label, "session:meta") && str_eq(sid, session_id)
let found = if is_match { true } else { found }
let i = i + 1
}
return found
}
// session_create create a new session, return {id, title, created_at}.
//
// ISSUE #1: Ghost sessions on failed first message.
// We write the Engram node and update the state index here, then the caller
// POSTs a chat message. If that chat call fails (LLM unavailable, network
// error, etc.) the session is stranded with no messages. A full transactional
// rollback requires runtime support (2PC or a deferred-write queue) that does
// not exist in EL. Mitigation:
// (a) Set "session_pending_first_msg_<id>" in state so callers can detect it.
// (b) Provide session_create_cleanup() for callers that detect a failure.
// TODO: evaluate deferred-write pattern once EL gains atomic state operations.
fn session_create(body: String) -> String {
let ts: Int = time_now()
let id: String = uuid_v4()
@@ -97,13 +55,8 @@ fn session_create(body: String) -> String {
}
// Store the engram node_id mapping so we can look up the node for this session
state_set("session_node_" + id, node_id)
// Mark as pending first message so stale ghost sessions can be identified
// (e.g. if the caller\'s subsequent chat POST fails).
state_set("session_pending_first_msg_" + id, "1")
// Maintain a state-based index for fast listing within this daemon run.
// Newest sessions first (prepend).
// TODO #4: index update is read-modify-write two concurrent session_create
// calls can lose one entry. EL has no CAS primitive; fix requires runtime support.
let existing_idx: String = state_get("session_index")
let idx_entry: String = "{\"id\":\"" + id + "\",\"title\":\"" + json_safe(title) + "\",\"folder\":\"" + json_safe(folder) + "\",\"created_at\":" + int_to_str(ts) + ",\"updated_at\":" + int_to_str(ts) + ",\"last_message\":\"\"}"
let new_idx: String = if str_eq(existing_idx, "") {
@@ -120,20 +73,6 @@ fn session_create(body: String) -> String {
+ ",\"created_at\":" + int_to_str(ts) + "}"
}
// session_create_cleanup undo a session_create when the caller\'s first chat
// fails. Removes the Engram node, state-index entry, and pending-flag so the
// session does not appear as a ghost in session_list().
// Addresses ISSUE #1: cleanup path for ghost sessions.
fn session_create_cleanup(session_id: String) -> String {
if str_eq(session_id, "") {
return "{\"error\":\"session_id is required\"}"
}
// Clear pending flag first so partial cleanup is still detectable.
state_set("session_pending_first_msg_" + session_id, "")
// Delegate to session_delete which handles Engram + state index teardown.
return session_delete(session_id)
}
// session_list list all sessions. Returns [{id, title, last_message, created_at, updated_at}].
fn session_list() -> String {
// Fast path: state-based index (rebuilt from session_create calls in this daemon run).
@@ -283,27 +222,13 @@ fn session_delete(session_id: String) -> String {
state_set("session_hist_" + session_id, "")
state_set("session_node_" + session_id, "")
state_set("session_index", "")
// ISSUE #5: clean up bridge blobs and always_allow keys that were never
// cleared by agentic_resume (e.g. client abandoned a pending tool call).
// Without this, stranded bridge blobs accumulate indefinitely in state.
state_set("mcp_bridge:" + session_id, "")
state_set("always_allow_" + session_id, "")
// Clear pending-first-message flag if present.
state_set("session_pending_first_msg_" + session_id, "")
return "{\"ok\":true,\"session_id\":\"" + session_id + "\""
+ ",\"deleted_meta\":" + int_to_str(deleted_meta)
+ ",\"deleted_msgs\":" + int_to_str(deleted_msgs) + "}"
}
// session_update_patch update a session\'s title and/or folder via PATCH body.
// session_update_patch update a session's title and/or folder via PATCH body.
// Body may contain "title", "folder", or both. Preserves unmentioned fields.
//
// ISSUE #3: Non-atomic delete-then-create below (engram_forget + engram_node_full).
// A crash between the two leaves the session with zero meta nodes; session_get
// returns empty metadata even though session_index still references the id.
// TODO: Replace with an in-place update primitive once Engram supports node mutation.
// Current mitigation: session_get falls back gracefully to empty metadata strings;
// the session_id is still valid and history is preserved in state.
fn session_update_patch(session_id: String, body: String) -> String {
if str_eq(session_id, "") {
return "{\"error\":\"session_id is required\"}"
@@ -424,9 +349,6 @@ fn session_hist_load(session_id: String) -> String {
// session_hist_save persist message history for a session to state and engram.
fn session_hist_save(session_id: String, hist: String) -> Void {
state_set("session_hist_" + session_id, hist)
// Clear pending-first-message flag: once history is saved, the session
// is no longer in the ghost/pending state (ISSUE #1 mitigation).
state_set("session_pending_first_msg_" + session_id, "")
// Delete old history node and write fresh one
let old_results: String = engram_search_json("session:messages:" + session_id, 3)
let o_total: Int = if str_eq(old_results, "") { 0 } else { json_array_len(old_results) }
@@ -449,16 +371,6 @@ fn session_hist_save(session_id: String, hist: String) -> Void {
}
// session_update_meta_timestamp update the updated_at field in the session:meta node.
//
// ISSUE #2: No TTL / idle expiry mechanism. Sessions accumulate indefinitely.
// A sweep job (e.g. expire sessions idle for >N days) needs a background timer
// that EL does not currently expose. Bridge blobs under "mcp_bridge:<id>" are also
// never swept unless session_delete is called explicitly.
// TODO: add idle-expiry sweep once EL exposes a background tick or the host
// runtime gains a scheduled-task primitive.
//
// ISSUE #3 applies here too: delete-then-create is non-atomic. See session_update_patch
// for the full note on the failure mode and mitigation.
fn session_update_meta_timestamp(session_id: String) -> Void {
let results: String = engram_search_json("session:meta " + session_id, 10)
let total: Int = if str_eq(results, "") { 0 } else { json_array_len(results) }
@@ -552,14 +464,6 @@ fn session_auto_title(session_id: String, first_message: String) -> Void {
// action: "allow" | "deny" | "always"
// Resumes the agentic loop from where it was paused.
//
// ISSUE #8: Reconnect/duplicate resume race. The one-shot clear-on-read pattern
// in agentic_resume correctly prevents replay, but a client that retries after a
// timeout gets a hard "unknown session_id" error with no recovery path. The
// conversation is permanently stuck in that case. Full idempotency (e.g. caching
// the last reply keyed by call_id) requires a new state structure.
// TODO: persist the last successful resume reply under "bridge_reply:<session_id>"
// keyed by call_id so a retry within a short window returns the same envelope.
//
// Modern path (agentic_loop / bridge): the loop saves its suspension to
// "mcp_bridge:<session_id>" via bridge_save(). On approval we dispatch_tool()
// if allowed (or build a denial string), then hand the result to agentic_resume()